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#21
hey Lotti..np..Smile

it's funny, I mentioned Steven Wilson to Jimmy when I met him and he said he'd heard the name, but wasn't familiar. And then i thought about the whole Radiohead/Thom Yorke thing with Jimmy and the fact many people have compared PT to Radiohead..Steven Wilson to Thom at times..it kind of would make sense Ours fans would go for if not know them..and Jimmy too. Jeff Buckley as well sorta flows within that circle in terms of connections with bands. Yorke=Buckley Jimmy=Buckley..altho i can't say PT and Jeff Buckley are too similar or have a connection..but somehow they could.
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#22
Something tells me that Jimmy would love Blackfield.
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#23
Sinistas Wrote:Something tells me that Jimmy would love Blackfield.

I second that... D'you think it'd be rude to give him a copy, if we're certain he'd like it? I'm buying an extra copy of Blackfield I for a friend in Australia anyway... (Not to mention DL as well, should I see it anywhere..)
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#24
here's a few 30second clips (really a tease..just hope the damn thing leaks soon!)

http://www.cede.ch/media/cd/mp3/612000/612834_1_1.mp3
http://www.cede.ch/media/cd/mp3/612000/612834_1_2.mp3
http://www.cede.ch/media/cd/mp3/612000/612834_1_3.mp3
http://www.cede.ch/media/cd/mp3/612000/612834_1_4.mp3
http://www.cede.ch/media/cd/mp3/612000/612834_1_5.mp3
http://www.cede.ch/media/cd/mp3/612000/612834_1_6.mp3
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#25
http://www.porcupinetree.com/images/CR04072007.pdf

The UK's CLASSIC ROCK MAGAZINE gives the new album 9 out of 10 Stars and calls is a "Must Buy"
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#26
check out this interview with Steven Wilson talking about the album

mp3 stream:
http://wms-eu.stream.aol.com/timeinc/uk/...erview.mp3

http://uncut.co.uk/music/uncut/special_features/9598

leak?..i need to do more hunting..I imagine it'll happen soon..
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#27
finally got to hear "The Beast" aka "Anesthetize"..it's rather good..gotta hear a better version with headphones. But for one, there is a 17second section that is pure thrash.

Darren, Sinistas..pm if you wanna hear it. It's off a polish radio show, but the quality isn't bad.
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#28
3 is opening for PT in the States \m/

http://myspace.com/3
http://purevolume.com/3

Really happy for them as I am a fan and know more people could get into 3 if they heard them. Also the Pure Reason Revolution/3 tour that got cancelled last fall might have led to this since PRR just opened for Blackfield not too long ago.

If you dig Coheed and Cambria and/or King's X 3 could be for you.
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#29
I've finally taken the time to check out this music and I think it's beautiful. I'm thrilled to have found this group (of course, 10 years late, but that's not unusual for me, it seems). Can anyone recommend what album I should buy first? Or should I just get all of them?
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#30
In Absentia, Stupid Dream, or Deadwing. It's all fantastic. I don't suggest the latest one to start with.
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#31
yeah what Sinistas said.

FoaBP= maybe the biggest disappointment for me personally for albums this year.

this what I wrote a few months ago:
http://allmediareviews.blogspot.com/2007...eport.html

Porcupine Tree - Fear of a Blank Planet. Not a bad record compositionally, I just haven't found reason to go back to it. Lacking energy and flow unlike the last three records from this band. It was far too hyped up to fulfill my hopes and expectations. "Anesthetize" years from now might be a classic epic, but within the whole record it doesn't matter. Also it somehow feels far too short and might work better with more meaty songs.

that being said, the new EP "Nil Recurring" I really like 3 of the 4 cuts and wonder why some of them were not included on FoaBP.
http://www.burningshed.com/store/porcupi...n/169/636/

limited availability supposedly. I am on the fence if I want to order it for I guess it comes to about $17 for an EP. I may just wait and hope to pick one up at a show down the line or online on gemm.com or ebay.

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#32
Well, too bad about the new release, but thank you both for taking the time to answer my question.
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#33
I think that if the EP had been included on the album, it would have met my expectations. Adding them together really brings up the quality overall.
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#34
well Trathena, it's not like YOU may not like the new record, it's just I and some others didn't find it as great as we hoped as you may notice early in this topic. I mean maybe 2 of the biggest reasons why. For 1, it doesn't really have any what I find *classic* songs like "Lazarus" or "Trains" which were on the last couple of albums. And it also leaves me with a rather depressing feeling. If I am feeling sad, I might put it on, but in the past with PT's albums, they can leave you with a sad feeling but it also ends up ultimately feeling uplifting. This new album, I've never been given that uplifting experience.

But also as Sinistas said, if the work on the new EP were on this, it might at least feel like a more *full* record. FoaBP is really a *short* 50 minutes if that is possible.

But like I said, I know some who think it's one of if not their best albums. More power to those folks.
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#35
SoundscapeMN Wrote:But like I said, I know some who think it's one of if not their best albums. More power to those folks.
Sorry for the rambling tone, but this will be slightly on the longer side... funnily enough, I just may be one of those folks! I've been a fan of Porcupine Tree way back, and had previously been left under the impression that their (=Wilson's) creative peak was somewhere around Stupid Dream and Lightbulb Sun (or in an alternate universe, around No-Man's Returning Jesus - or if we go far out, Bass Communion's III!)... Deadwing was such a sour, sour experience for me after In Absentia, which I thought was a brilliant album in its own right (it was a big change and I wholeheartedly accepted it), one that had a very strong first half and not only introduced modern PT but also gave us classics like "Trains" or "Heartattack in a Layby".

Deadwing, then, sounds like a band that has completely stagnated into playing derivative copies of their own songs to me. Sans "Lazarus" (which I agree is a fantastic song) there are zero redeeming factors to the album as far as songwriting is concerned. I could see every song, lyric and melody coming from a mile away.

It's not that the album is bad, it's just predictable and lazy, and the *cough*bastardized*cough* rendition of "She'smovedon" really sealed the deal for me. I was nigh-turned off the band for good. My friend, to whom I originally (and accidentally) introduced Porcupine Tree thought I was nuts (still does!) and just could not see where I was coming from.

I do understand those that like Deadwing - if something can be said of the album is that it is the "definitive" PT album; just in a negative way for me.

This leads us to FOAPB... which was a compelling return to form! The songwriting is fresh, the soundscapes returned, and the metal influences are no longer jarringly derivative like on Deadwing! It sounds like a living and breathing band on the record (playing the material to perfection live before going to the studio may have contributed to this) and the album's greatest merits lie definitely in its consistency, majestic dynamics and pacing.
Sinistas Wrote:I think that if the EP had been included on the album, it would have met my expectations. Adding them together really brings up the quality overall.
This is why I'm completely surprised you should say that! You're the first person I hear even remotely thinking Nil Recurring could possibly be somehow glued together with FOAPB. The album is such a cohesive whole, one of the Albums (with a capital A!) of the recent years...

To me, the EP then contains songs that intentionally reach very different places and moods and were thus (for reason or another) left off the album for the sake of its timespan and consistency; While it has tremendous material (especially the last two songs), there is hardly any way I could imagine, say, "Normal" placed in the album's context stylistically. "What Happens Now?" would ruin the pacing of the album completely no matter where it would be positioned.

I'm an album man all the way, though, that may explain something... I'll have to admit though, I'd love it if they released FOAPB together with Nil Recurring on a separate disc. That'd be awesome.
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#36
My top 5 albums are all concept albums, you're preaching to the choir on that one. It's just that I don't like most of the songs on FoaBP. I listened to it for Anesthetize and Way Out Of Here, and that was about it. It's only adding the other tracks that has gotten me to dig into the rest. I actually sandwich Anesthetize with Normal and Sentimental for a cool bookend effect. *shrug* The biggest thing with PT fans is that almost none of them share the same opinions on the band's catalog, which is kind of cool.
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#37
Sinistas Wrote:The biggest thing with PT fans is that almost none of them share the same opinions on the band's catalog, which is kind of cool.

That is so true! And what a versatile catalog, too... still, there's always something to agree about, too: I'm with you on the top songs for the album. "Way Out of Here" is superb, though it took me a while to learn to appreciate it out of the actual album context. It didn't strike me as very special (as opposed to other songs on the album) until I took a closer look.

I do wonder how those that grew up on Tarquin's Seaweed Farm and Love, Death & Mussolini etc feel about the band these days, though, I've not met that many fans that have been involved from the beginning... Big Grin
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#38
Mortis, you on the PTF?..there's a horde of them over there anyway.
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#39
Funny you should mention PTF! My account got removed (for not logging in often enough) some time ago and I've yet to bother registering there again since I'm dead set against forcing users to register (and purging user databases! They exist so you can maintain your userbase, not for limiting it) just to be able to read threads.

I guess this is petty to a large degree but the aforementioned friend I have has filled up my Porcupine Tree conversation quota so well that I've not really missed having conversations on the topic (And here I am rambling about the band anyway) Big Grin
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#40
yeah the PTF is a bit polarized, altho compared to some places, it's tame. I do know a few people who were banned there. But there are some cool people who have good taste in music. A number of Ours fans there anyway.

btw.."Normal" may be one of their best songs ever. One of the best songs of 2007 in my book anyway. Gavin is sick on that one.
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